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FxMasterGuru (FxMasterGuru)
Apr 28 2013 at 11:01
1607 postów
Xenovia posted:
anything that risks losing money to earn money is gambling no matter what


Well, then spending (risking) money on education to earn more money is technically 'gambling'. And it is indeed gambling, as if you don't get a job with your diploma, then you have lost all the money invested in your education.

In essence, life is a 'gamble', as most people are investing their (ever shorter) lifetime every day at their boring workplace anticipating the salary at the end of the month (which might come or might not).

Also, most people 'invest' in marriage, and statistically in 50% of the cases they lose almost everything... Well, THAT IS GAMBLE, not Forex... 😀

So our lives are full of gambling. We just have to accept it...

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syedaounabbas
Apr 29 2013 at 08:52
23 postów
Ironman posted:
Well, to be honest, there were no proof there.

1. So, how long ago? And how did he create evolution (since half of the religions deny it)? Did he create just one planet, or is any other planet in this vast, huge universe populated?

2. You really need to read up on your general religion skills. Some gods are actually quite evil. Of course, most have stopped believing in the evil ones, but since evil is just a matter of perspective, that is probably a fate that will happen to most gods as the population gets smarter.

3. Really? And where would that be? Got a photo? Any sort of proof on that?
Or just blind belief from a book told from mouth to mouth because most couldn't read at the time?
And who or why? Do you go to hell for just not believing? Not knowing about hell? There are many differences here, dude.

You were an atheist? When did you stop thinking, and why?

Anyway, I hope God helps you with your trading, since you stopped using logic. ;)

As you said, this isn't the forum for this, since we discuss things that actually exists here. If you read more than one book, 'The God Delusion' would be a good choice. It'll probably even explain your 'miracle'.

Good luck.

Cheers!


Look man, both of you are trying to prove each other wrong .... you want a good read ?? read Quran .... It was protected from Alteration and the art of language (writing) made it possible for it to be preserved as is without alteration. You will see a lot of knowledge in there which wasn't known to man at the time ..... only today can we truly understand some of the references in the book .... no human at that time could have produced such a marvel .... and thus I question your belief that there is no God .... if there is bad there is good as well .... its not a perspective .... u are born with the distinction .... thats why God tells us that children are 'innocent' .... humans are per-programed to differentiate btw good and evil ......

May God bless you ....

Ironman
Apr 29 2013 at 09:24
70 postów
syedaounabbas posted:

Look man, both of you are trying to prove each other wrong .... you want a good read ?? read Quran .... It was protected from Alteration and the art of language (writing) made it possible for it to be preserved as is without alteration. You will see a lot of knowledge in there which wasn't known to man at the time ..... only today can we truly understand some of the references in the book .... no human at that time could have produced such a marvel .... and thus I question your belief that there is no God .... if there is bad there is good as well .... its not a perspective .... u are born with the distinction .... thats why God tells us that children are 'innocent' .... humans are per-programed to differentiate btw good and evil ......

May God bless you ....


Haha, yeah, sure. What marvels are you talking about? Please name one of the references that wasn't understood at that time and age.

One fairy tale book does not prove another wrong (or right). Other religious people will disagree with you on this. Which is the whole problem to begin with.

The Quran was written in a time when the written language wasn't fully developed, and is thus written in a mix of languages. Which is why the infamous 'virgins' one can achieve through martyrdom also can translate to 'grapes'. There are plenty of more examples if you want them.
Go figure.

If you want a really good read, read Lord of the Rings. Full of exciting stories, and noone asks you to believe in them.

(And of course, The God Delusion is another excellent read.)


 

syedaounabbas
Apr 29 2013 at 16:06
23 postów
Ironman posted:
syedaounabbas posted:

Look man, both of you are trying to prove each other wrong .... you want a good read ?? read Quran .... It was protected from Alteration and the art of language (writing) made it possible for it to be preserved as is without alteration. You will see a lot of knowledge in there which wasn't known to man at the time ..... only today can we truly understand some of the references in the book .... no human at that time could have produced such a marvel .... and thus I question your belief that there is no God .... if there is bad there is good as well .... its not a perspective .... u are born with the distinction .... thats why God tells us that children are 'innocent' .... humans are per-programed to differentiate btw good and evil ......

May God bless you ....


Haha, yeah, sure. What marvels are you talking about? Please name one of the references that wasn't understood at that time and age.

One fairy tale book does not prove another wrong (or right). Other religious people will disagree with you on this. Which is the whole problem to begin with.

The Quran was written in a time when the written language wasn't fully developed, and is thus written in a mix of languages. Which is why the infamous 'virgins' one can achieve through martyrdom also can translate to 'grapes'. There are plenty of more examples if you want them.
Go figure.

If you want a really good read, read Lord of the Rings. Full of exciting stories, and noone asks you to believe in them.

(And of course, The God Delusion is another excellent read.)


 


Search for the marvels yourself (if you want to) .... I never push religion in other peoples faces (like u tend to do with ur no God theory) ....

BTW I bet you have never read Arabic !! and don't even know what advanced language means ..... Have you read any poetry lately ???? Do you know how rhymes work ??? Do you have any understanding of numbers ???

All these questions are probably a resounding NO if one reads your response ..... Arabic even back then was a very vast language ..... Lord of the Rings is a good read .... fantasy though .... as far as the believing is concerned, I never asked you to believe in Quran .... I just suggested reading it ....

Till you atheists prove that a universe can be created out of nothing without any intervention, you have no ground to stand on !! Go figure !!

Ironman
Apr 29 2013 at 18:36
70 postów
So, they wrote poetry. Marvellous.
I'd like some proof. I don't believe anything just out of the blue.

The difference between you and me is that just because I don't understand it, I don't say 'Oh, you know, it must be a God'... We research the reasons for things. If you zealots ruled the world, the world would still be flat, and the sun revolving around it...
We'd behead people for adultery...
We'd stone people for blasphemy...
And women would still not be able to vote... oh, wait. Scary place, this...


No, I don't speak or read Arabic. That doesn't mean I can't read the works of people who do... And they wrote what I said.
I don't make stuff up.

There wasn't 'nothing' that was created out of 'nothing'.
It's hidden in science. Yes, we can't describe the earlies few nanoseconds, but that is quite a lot closer than anything described in any story book, wether it is the Quran, the Bible, Upanishaderna or any of the other THOUSANDS of religions all claiming to be the correct one.

Cheers.

syedaounabbas
Apr 30 2013 at 01:39
23 postów
First get your facts straight !! The earth was told to be round and not the centre of the universe by Quran '[079:030] He made the earth egg-shaped. ' !!

A Muslim scientist Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Kathīr al-Farghānī with his team found out the exact diameter of our planet .... How can you be so ignorant and yet teach others .... The PEOPLE who follow IGNORANT remain ignorant ....

Greeks thought the earth was the center of the universe ..... And I bet you consider Greek literature to be the basis of science as you know it .... mind you, most of the Greek literature has been proven to be wrong ....

As far as Christianity is concerned, I accept that the church had a clear conflict with science .... but you are just plain stupid to think that has been the case with Islam .... Quran never said the earth was flat, Bible never told of a flat earth, self-proclaimed scientists and scholars did .....

Even you don't rule the world !! Even Alexander (mortal) couldn't rule the world ..... Read some facts before you start talking about things that you have little to no knowledge of .... And you just made stuff up when u said that Islam tells you that the Earth is Flat and the centre of universe .....

Keep believing in your mighty Ironman !!

Peace.

BellaVista507
Apr 30 2013 at 03:23
251 postów
Can we stick to forex please!

Ironman
Apr 30 2013 at 05:24
70 postów
BellaVista507 posted:
 Can we stick to forex please!


Good point.

:)

Xenovia
Apr 30 2013 at 06:50
6 postów
syedaounabbas posted:
Ironman posted:
syedaounabbas posted:

Look man, both of you are trying to prove each other wrong .... you want a good read ?? read Quran .... It was protected from Alteration and the art of language (writing) made it possible for it to be preserved as is without alteration. You will see a lot of knowledge in there which wasn't known to man at the time ..... only today can we truly understand some of the references in the book .... no human at that time could have produced such a marvel .... and thus I question your belief that there is no God .... if there is bad there is good as well .... its not a perspective .... u are born with the distinction .... thats why God tells us that children are 'innocent' .... humans are per-programed to differentiate btw good and evil ......

May God bless you ....


Haha, yeah, sure. What marvels are you talking about? Please name one of the references that wasn't understood at that time and age.

One fairy tale book does not prove another wrong (or right). Other religious people will disagree with you on this. Which is the whole problem to begin with.

The Quran was written in a time when the written language wasn't fully developed, and is thus written in a mix of languages. Which is why the infamous 'virgins' one can achieve through martyrdom also can translate to 'grapes'. There are plenty of more examples if you want them.
Go figure.

If you want a really good read, read Lord of the Rings. Full of exciting stories, and noone asks you to believe in them.

(And of course, The God Delusion is another excellent read.)


 


Search for the marvels yourself (if you want to) .... I never push religion in other peoples faces (like u tend to do with ur no God theory) ....

BTW I bet you have never read Arabic !! and don't even know what advanced language means ..... Have you read any poetry lately ???? Do you know how rhymes work ??? Do you have any understanding of numbers ???

All these questions are probably a resounding NO if one reads your response ..... Arabic even back then was a very vast language ..... Lord of the Rings is a good read .... fantasy though .... as far as the believing is concerned, I never asked you to believe in Quran .... I just suggested reading it ....

Till you atheists prove that a universe can be created out of nothing without any intervention, you have no ground to stand on !! Go figure !!


back in the day before civilisation started experiments to gain understanding of medical plants, they just prayed and hoped 'god' would cure 'whatever'. science has improved in many fields since then to help us get a better understanding of many things but like i said, they only improved. just because you cant understand something, doesnt necessarily mean 'god' did it. i respect your beliefs and what not but those who force their beliefs down someones throat are dispicable. Oppression is a sin that gods wont allow it (unless you worship an evil god).

Lose in spoonfuls, win in buckets.
syedaounabbas
Apr 30 2013 at 07:50
23 postów
BellaVista507 posted:
 Can we stick to forex please!


Yeah sure !! :)

Xenovia posted:
back in the day before civilisation started experiments to gain understanding of medical plants, they just prayed and hoped 'god' would cure 'whatever'. science has improved in many fields since then to help us get a better understanding of many things but like i said, they only improved. just because you cant understand something, doesnt necessarily mean 'god' did it. i respect your beliefs and what not but those who force their beliefs down someones throat are dispicable. Oppression is a sin that gods wont allow it (unless you worship an evil god).


So you are implying that I am forcing my beliefs down Ironman's throat ??? LOL !! Read the whole thread first .... I came in after he had pushed his opinion down someone's throat .... and I have the right to express my opinion as well .... I am not forcing him into believing what he doesn't .... he is the one who started by pushing his atheist theory in other people's faces .... quite irrelevant here, haan ?? :)

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