BTN Lightning 0408 การสนทนา

Hi guys,

You all can refer to donnaforex thread for a good discussion regarding BTN: https://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6588.0

Although my account with BTN has not done well (due to broker), i have seen for myself, some good accounts (by exchanging information with other forum users).

In my opinion, definitely not a scam.

Registered with them 2 weeks ago. A first broker simply did not trade. I added another one and now it trades. Lot of small negative trades and then BANG... I'm up 15.14% in the last week (including the negative trades). Let's see if it holds on the long run...

hwlm posted:
lol.

Prosentti: I suppose you are not here to trade. You provide good arguments. So are you here to bash scammers or looking for good systems to invest in?

Bashing scammers :) Helping others to see the real picture.

People! Transpanent public systems producing consistent, but small, results with low drawdowns are worth to invest. Traders having this kind of systems may ask OPM because they want to speed up their path to the economical independency. This is the way you do not have to risk too much of your trading equity. It is acceptable because this really makes sense.

No I am not looking any systems to invest in nor OPM. I am happy to trade with my own. Have been over 10 years now ;)

Hi guys,

Now this account is not showing trade history but it used to. Many people here in Myfxbook were able to see the trade by trade report during a couple of months, and there's nothing strange with it.
Thousands of small trades open for a few minutes, making thousands of pips based on pips not lot size.

You guys saying that we are scam just to promote your systems is not a honest way of making business. Provide potential clients with results and invest your time on improving your systems.

If you take a look at the small numbers on our account you will find that risk is zero. You will not see equity used anywhere on the chart. That's because the lot size used on each trade is minimum compared to the account size.
No draw downs, consistent results trough many months... Give a look to the summary or Risk of Ruin, or any other parameter, it's just flawless. No one needs to be a Forex guru to know that the trading on the account is absolutely conservative.

Please don't defame others just because they have better systems. You are invited to test the service https://www.btnlightning.com/ and see it with you own eyes.

Also as Stensten suggested,

stensten posted:

You all can refer to donnaforex thread for a good discussion regarding BTN: https://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6588.0

Although my account with BTN has not done well (due to broker), i have seen for myself, some good accounts (by exchanging information with other forum users).

In my opinion, definitely not a scam.

If you have questions we'll be happy to help.

Thank you!
Matt.

btnlightning posted:
If you have questions we'll be happy to help.

Why you are asking other peoples money when you can achieve an astronomical results as +4700% / year ?

Are you guys stupid or what?

Why to give 50% away for others if you can keep 95%+ for your self ?

You just have to trade 3 years and you are billionaires.

This is ridiculous.

Prosentti: Good points again. Are you here just to bash scammers? No system or trades whatsoever in your profile.

Dear Prosentti,

It's not possible to make billions with a few accounts on the retail forex market.

Please read carefully our FAQs as that questions and some others are already answered there. You will find out why we are taking clients.
https://www.btnlightning.com/FAQs.aspx

Take your time to review the site, and forums all over the internet where happy customers are discussing.

If you have any questions regarding the service don't hesitate to contact us directly on our help desk. https://www.btnlightning.com/Support/HelpDesk.aspx

Thank you and have a great weekend.
Walter.

GBLab posted:

HotProfitSystem posted:
why you hidden all?

A-ha-ha ... very funny ... one scammer asks another why does he hide everything ...

First of all, you (HotProfitSystems) also have your account history hidden.

Second, your broker FX Clearing is well-known scam broker.

Third, why did you remove your crashed InstaForex PAMM-account
(https://instaforex.com/pamm_monitoring.php?trader=5154120) from your
website page https://www.hotprofit.info/2012/01/pamm.html?

You are so right. HotProfitSystems is just a scammer. He blew my account in 10 days. After posting on his account's discussion board he blocked my access there and ask to prove my loss. :)) Nice isn't it ?

So take care guys with this scammer!!

btnlightning posted:
It's not possible to make billions with a few accounts on the retail forex market.
...
Please read carefully our FAQs as that questions and some others are already answered there. You will find out why we are taking clients.
https://www.btnlightning.com/FAQs.aspx

What prevents you to open a real spot trading account with some of these bigger players in the markets? Why do you mess up with the retail sector?

If you are not well funded very good starting point is Interactive Brokers. I can recommend. Some years ago I was with them.

I execute guite large positions with one of the biggest bank an have NO problems in execution. No matter am I scalping 0.5 pips, executing orders during news spikes or generating HF. I trade off from the same rates what they use. I pay separate commissions which is how they do their business with me.

So IF you really have a good system and you are smart you stop gaming in the retail and start to make some serious money with the real players and come pro yourself.

You totally do not need others in your business plan.

So if you still keep your current plan you are
a) very stupid
b) scammer

hwlm posted:
Prosentti: Good points again. Are you here just to bash scammers? No system or trades whatsoever in your profile.

That is right. Mainly I am bashing here but sometimes I see things in public trading histories which takes my attention and I do some analyzing. Learning never ends.

What comes to my trading I have no need for this service besides no support to my broker.

Prosentti posted:

btnlightning posted:
It's not possible to make billions with a few accounts on the retail forex market.
...
Please read carefully our FAQs as that questions and some others are already answered there. You will find out why we are taking clients.
https://www.btnlightning.com/FAQs.aspx

What prevents you to open a real spot trading account with some of these bigger players in the markets? Why do you mess up with the retail sector?

If you are not well funded very good starting point is Interactive Brokers. I can recommend. Some years ago I was with them.

I execute guite large positions with one of the biggest bank an have NO problems in execution. No matter am I scalping 0.5 pips, executing orders during news spikes or generating HF. I trade off from the same rates what they use. I pay separate commissions which is how they do their business with me.

So IF you really have a good system and you are smart you stop gaming in the retail and start to make some serious money with the real players and come pro yourself.

You totally do not need others in your business plan.

So if you still keep your current plan you are
a) very stupid
b) scammer

Hello Prosentti!

We are definitely not scammers and I think we are not the other option either. Insults are not necessary please.

You have a point there and I respect it. The thing is that we have developed and improved technology for MT4 for many years that really gives us an edge. Even though we work on the real spot markets (we do futures and some other instruments as well) there is no reason to waste all our MT4 infrastructure.

Take care,
Walter.

I think people believe in what they want to believe. It cannot be changed by arguing. I would like BTN to keep doing their successful run, but on other end I would love them to close the doors ASAP for any new clientele, because many non-sensible punters will make troubles for the rest by making too much noise and not keeping their mouths shut and kill the golden goose for all of us.

mistificator posted:
I think people believe in what they want to believe. It cannot be changed by arguing. I would like BTN to keep doing their successful run, but on other end I would love them to close the doors ASAP for any new clientele, because many non-sensible punters will make troubles for the rest by making too much noise and not keeping their mouths shut and kill the golden goose for all of us.

Agree.
First I was skeptical about BTN, but after reading some positive feedback on good performance I changed my mind. The technology is really unique.

I have no words. At them is in monitoring of 25 transactions in 2 days, at me - any. Refer to brokers. Run.

i don't even understand what you just said

Prosentti posted:
These 'huge percentage' hidden systems are funny. When do you learn?

Big percentage = Big risk

ALLWAYS!

I actually lost money with BTN. They said Pepperstone is no longer good broker for BTN because it has changed. But they did not warn me that Pepperstone is no longer supported, BTN just wait until i got this loss and when I reported it.
Anyway big profit does not mean big risk.
Big drowdawn mean big risk for your account.
BTN is still amazing for me because the accounts show big profit and lot of pips and small drowdawn.

togr posted:
Anyway big profit does not mean big risk.
Big drowdawn mean big risk for your account.
BTN is still amazing for me because the accounts show big profit and lot of pips and small drowdawn.

I know my knowledge is limited. I have learned this many times in these markets. But I have never seen a system with a big percentages without the big risk. I also have seen a systems producing small drawdowns for a long time until the big hit. The reason has been the inability to adapt when market conditions have changed. In this case it may be the risk of broker (would like to see the execution points and times). These kind of things can be seen when you take a closer and deeper analyze of the trades done in the past.

We all could stop this debate very easily IF the system provider would show us the history trades. I understand this that by revealing the trades would show us somethieng we don't like.

I have made my opinion very clear so I will not answer to this thread anymore until I am able to view the history.
Nothing more to say.

Damn my bad english ;)